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Poster: deadrelix Date: Mar 13, 2009 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

Man, you are really testing my burnt out brain cells. I believe that either they sent him a letter accusing him of bootlegging, or maybe a letter to Rolling Stone Magazine, saying something nasty.

I Don't remember the specifics, and not many people are alive who remember, I pulled out my stack of old Exchange Cards, and I see your name on one for Hells Honkies. Were you with them?

What do you remember?

And why the crucification of Relix, who did more for taping then any one else?

I'd like to know as a collector

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Poster: HAROLD LASLO 2 Date: Mar 20, 2009 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

SORRY TO MAKE U THINK -- KNOW IT IS NOT EASY FOR US AS TIME GOES ON -- YES, I WAS PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THE HELLS HONKIES -- STILL AM -- WOULD LOVE TO SEE A COPY OF THE CARD IF U COULD SCAN IT -- I AM THE HAROLD ON THE CARD -- ALL THE 'FEUDING' IN THOSE DAYS WAS MOSTLY IN FUN -- AS I REMEMBER LOTS OF FOLKS FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH LES AS FAR AS TRADING AND EVEN LISTENING WENT -- HE ALSO HAD A HABIT OF TAKING CREDIT FOR THINGS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE -- IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT IT WAS JERRY MOORE OF THE HELLS HONKIES HE WENT INTO BUSINESS WITH FOR RELIX AND THEN CUT HIM OUT -- THAT IS WHAT I HEARD AT LEAST -- THIS IS ALL WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE AND IF IT WASN'T FOR FINDING THESE POSTS I WOULD NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT STUFF -- DID GET IN TOUCH WITH MARTY WEINBERHG RECENTLY -- AKA MARTY FROM THE BRONX -- HE IS A TRUE LEGEND IN THE WORLD OF TAPING AND WAS THRILLED TO HEAR HE IS WELL -- LERT ME KNOW WHAT ELSE U WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND I WILL GET BACK TO YA QUICKER --
THANKS -- HAROLD OF THE HELLS HONKIES

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Poster: HAROLD LASLO 2 Date: Mar 20, 2009 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

YO -- JUST REMEBERED THAT IN REGARDS TO THE LETTER TO ROLLING STONE -- I BELIEVE IT WAS BECAUSE OF AN INTERVIEW THEY DID WITH LEAST WHERE SEVERAL PEOPLE FELT HE TOOK CREDIT FOR SOME MATTERS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE AND MAYBE USED THE WORD I TO MUCH -- IF NOT LITERALLY AT LEAST IN THEORY -- AGAIN, I THINK TRHE LETTER MIGHT HAVE BEEN A GROUP EFFORT BUT AT THE LEAST WAS WRITTEN BY MEMBERS OF HIS OWN TAPE CLUB -- HOPE THIS HELPS -- THERE WAS ALSO A SHOW LABELLED HERKIMER, NY THAT WAS CREATED THAT WAS USED TO 'TEASE' LES WITH -- A MADE UP SHOW WITH GREAT SETLIST AND QUALITY THAT HE WAS DENIED THE P-LEASURE OF EVER GETTING IN FULL -- I BELIEVE SOMEONE EARLIER SAID WE SHOPULD HAVE BEEN PENALIZED FOR BOOTLEGGING -- WE WERE 'BAD BOYS' -- OH WELL
HAROLD OF THE HELLS HONKIES

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Poster: deadrelix Date: Mar 25, 2009 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

OK....Since I wasn't part of Hells Honkies, but realize that a lot of people take credit for things they didn't do, I was curious... What did Les take credit for that he didn't do?

LEts get down to 'Throwing Stones' level. When I do a google search for Les, I get hundreds of hits of what he did so. If I read correctly, he did start the tape exchange, he did create Dead Relix magazine, he did create Relix Records with over 100 projects released.

I guess his efforts really did keep a lot of out of work musicians alive and feed a lot of people.

Hells Honkies had 4 hits, 3 about this stuff here. So were you guys trying to throw a few stones at him to create a stir? Was it jealousy? What would cause a few guys to counterfeit a Grateful Dead show and try to trade it and get a 'free' tape? I don't get it.

What am I missing here? It still looks like Hells Honkies were off the deep end.

Sounds like what everyone would do with Bill Graham. Knock him down to raise yourself...

Enlighten me.

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Mar 20, 2009 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

Pssst, Harold, your "Caps Lock" is on.

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Poster: HAROLD LASLO 2 Date: Mar 20, 2009 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

BOB -- THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW -- HOW GAUCHE OF ME -- ACTUALLY AS U CAN SEE I ALWAYS OR AT LEAST ALMOST ALWAYS TYPE IN CAPS -- I DID NOT KNOW FOR AWHILE THAT IT WAS NOT PC -- HOWEVER MY EYES ARE NO SO GREAT AT MY AGE AND IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO READ WHAT I AM WRITING -- DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE -- H

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Poster: HAROLD LASLO 2 Date: Mar 20, 2009 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

SORRY TO MAKE U THINK -- KNOW IT IS NOT EASY FOR US AS TIME GOES ON -- YES, I WAS PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THE HELLS HONKIES -- STILL AM -- WOULD LOVE TO SEE A COPY OF THE CARD IF U COULD SCAN IT -- I AM THE HAROLD ON THE CARD -- ALL THE 'FEUDING' IN THOSE DAYS WAS MOSTLY IN FUN -- AS I REMEMBER LOTS OF FOLKS FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH LES AS FAR AS TRADING AND EVEN LISTENING WENT -- HE ALSO HAD A HABIT OF TAKING CREDIT FOR THINGS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE -- IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT IT WAS JERRY MOORE OF THE HELLS HONKIES HE WENT INTO BUSINESS WITH FOR RELIX AND THEN CUT HIM OUT -- THAT IS WHAT I HEARD AT LEAST -- THIS IS ALL WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE AND IF IT WASN'T FOR FINDING THESE POSTS I WOULD NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT STUFF -- DID GET IN TOUCH WITH MARTY WEINBERHG RECENTLY -- AKA MARTY FROM THE BRONX -- HE IS A TRUE LEGEND IN THE WORLD OF TAPING AND WAS THRILLED TO HEAR HE IS WELL -- LERT ME KNOW WHAT ELSE U WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND I WILL GET BACK TO YA QUICKER --
THANKS -- HAROLD OF THE HELLS HONKIES

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Poster: deadrelix Date: Mar 25, 2009 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

I don't think counterfeiting a concert is 'fun', I think it is downright illegal. Whether you did it for 'fun' or a 'joke', it was still wrong.

Trying to 'dupe' someone is a stupid high school style prank that has ended any number of 'nice' people in trouble with the law.

I think what Les did by creating a community of brothers and sisters to trade tapes was the one thing that pushed the Grateful Dead from a cult band to one that survives today.

After reading your last entries, I think what the Hells Honkies did was pretty stupid.

How could you, as part of a tape trading scene that was based upon honesty be part of counterfeiting?

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Poster: HAROLD LASLO 2 Date: Mar 25, 2009 6:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: HELLS HONKIES !!

OK, I WILL ADDRESS THIS HOPEFULLY FOR THE LAST TIME -- WE DID NOT COUNTERFEIT ANYTHING -- YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF WE CREATED SOMETHING AND SOLD IT FOR A PROFIT OR EVEN WORSE TO CAUSE THE LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE -- I GIVE LES FULL CREDIT FOR HIS LIFE ACCOMPLISHMENTS; HOWEVER, HE WAS NOT THE NICEST GUY TO INTERACT WITH IN THOSE DAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO 'SHARING THE MUSIC' WHICH YOU SEEMED CONCERNED ABOUT -- ALSO IT WAS NOT JUST THE HELLS HONMKIES WHO CREATED 'HERKIMER' IT WAS MEMBERS OF HIS OWN TAPE CLUB AND CLOSE FRIENDS OF HIS -- THIS WAS 40 YEARS AGO AND LASTED A WHOLE COUPLE OF DAYS -- CERTAINLY NOT WORTH THE ANGST YOU ARE SHOWING OVER IT -- LIGHTEN UP DUDE!! -- YEAH, LES DID SOME GOOD THINGS -- PROBABLY EVEN WORKED IN A SOUP KITCHEN AT TIMES BUT BACK THEN IF U WANTED TO LISTEN TO A TAPE OF A SHOW HE HAD YOU HAD TO BEG- NOT THE ATTITIUDE MOST OF US HAD IN THOSE DAYS -- ALSO HE TOOK CREDIT FOR THINGS HE DID BUT DID NOT GIVE CREDIT TO THOSE WHO DID THEM WITH HIM --THEY WERE THE ONES UPSET -- NOT ME- AS FAR AS BEING OFF THE DEEP END -- IF BEING PART OF A HARMLESS, MINOR PRANK MAKES ME OFF THE DEEP END, THEN SO BE IT -- I GUESS U JUST DONT GET IT THAT IT WAS A REACTION TO SOMETHING -- WE DID NOT STRIKE FIRST -- U KNOW WHAT, I DOUBT THAT LES WOULD EVEN REMEMBER ANY OF THIS -- WELL, I HOPE THIS HELPS, IF NOT LET ME KNOW WHAT ELSE U NEED TO KNOW -- I GUESS U HAD TO BE THERE -- HAROLD OF THE HELLS HONKIES

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Poster: deadrelix Date: Mar 26, 2009 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HELLS HONKIES !!

Also, as for Les, I think he had a lot of assholes to contend with. There was one interview that he discussed the 'should've's, would've's, could've's, but didn't.

Talking about musicians, writers and photographers that thought they were greater then themselves. Ironicily, none of them are around today.

I think a lot of people wanted $$$$ above and beyond what Relix could pay. I think 30 years of Relix under Les, and then Toni was amazing. The owners who bought Relix in 2,000, recently sold it to a new publisher because they couldn't do what Les and then Toni did.

I would hazard a guess that there are more people out there that would think Les did great, instead of your view.

I'm not here to defend him, but I think you are way off base in what you did. A sophmoric college prank, at best.

Pisser is, after 40 years ( your count), you still can't see what you did as being wrong.



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Poster: deadrelix Date: Mar 26, 2009 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Conterfeiting

Ya know what, Pranks have cost people their lives. The act of creating a bootleg or counterfeit is a crime, not the fact that it was done as a spoof.

If you counterfeit U.S. currency and keep it in your house, you have already committed the crime.

And I wonder, are you referring to Jerry Moore as Les's 'friend'?

I remember an interview I read somewhere about their 'friendship' and how Les did a lot of things for Jerry, but in the end, Jerry tried to sabatoge the Tape Exchange and Magazine.

What do you know about those things? Was Jerry a positivew influence in the Tape Exchange and Magazine?

What happened that Jerry 'left' Dead Relix? I am curious, and the histories that I've seen, puts him out fairly early and Les felt bad about it, but wouldn't discuss what happened.

I heard something about a girl influencing Jerry to do some nasty things that got him into trouble.

What do you know about that?

anyway, counterfeiting for 'fun' is still illegal, at least the last time I checked with the law.

Pot, on the other hand is going legal

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Poster: HAROLD LASLO 2 Date: Mar 26, 2009 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TENACIOUS

DUDE U R RELENTLESS - VERY SORRY THAT WE COMMITTED A COLLEGE TYPE PRANK WHEN WE WERE OF COLLEGE AGE -- GO FIGURE -- FOR THE LAST TIME ..HOPEFULLY -- I GIVE AND GAVE LES FULL CREDIT FOR HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS -- NO COUNTERFEITING WAS DONE -- NO LIVES WERE LOST AND/OR DESTROYED .. I KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN LES AND JERRY .. WHY DONT U ASK THEM IF U R SO INTERESTED .. AND IF U HAVE ANY POT IN YOUR POSSESION IT IS ILLEGAL AND THE TALK OF IT GOING LEGAL HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 40 YEARS,(THERE'S THAT # AGAIN) BUT I GUESS U KNOW SOMETHING NO ONE ELSE DOES ABOUT IT .. GOOD LUCK TO YOU IN YOUR HISTORY RESEARCH -- IF I WAS REFERRING TO JERRY AS HIS FRIEND I WOULD HAVE SAID SO -- JUST PROTECTING THE CO-CONSPIRITORS IN THIS CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY THAT YOU SEEM TO FEEL WAS DONE .. AGAIN -- LIGHTEN UP .. OR MAYBE LIGHT UP -- ALL THE BEST -- OH YEAH, REMEMBER MAY 4TH IS KENT STATE DAY -- LEARN ABOUT THAT ALSO AS A SUGGESTION -- DONT FORGET TO ASK LES ABOUT THE PIE THAT GOT THROWN AT HIM -- I HEAR THAT IS A GOOD STORY ALSO -- AGAIN ALL THE BEST IN YOUR RESEARCH AND IF THERE IS ANYWAY I CAN HELP WITH OUT BEING ACCUSED OF CRIMES AGAINST MANKIND ( AND WOMAN) LET ME KNOW
HAROLD OF HELLS HONKIES

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